That's fine, not too bothered about the 'hackyness' atleast it works!

Had to tweak it though, this is crrect line of code

if($this->Title != "New Page" && !DataObject::get_one('Group', "Title = '$this->Title'")){

Really happy that this works now. My main problem is that I am primarily a designer, not really a developer and I think I fall down with knowing the correct syntax. I've never used Saphire before, any recommended resources out there for this stuff?

Thanks again for your help, I'm on the right road now.

PS looking forward to the SS book arriving this week, good stuff